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Does John 17;1-6 indicate Jesus is God or His SON?

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  • 1 month ago
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    Those scriptures clearly show that Jehovah God and Jesus Christ are not the same person. They are one in thought; they are unified in TRUTH.

    Jesus prayed in behalf of his apostles who would have to continue on bearing witness to the truth after his death. 

    Verse 3 specifically brings out that Jehovah is the True God, the one who SENT Jesus to the earth in behalf of sinful mankind.

    Verse 5 shows petitioning his Father to once again to allow him to be alongside Him again as he was in the beginning. (6) Jesus made his Fathers name known to his followers and they loved God as he did.

    Please read the entire account of chapter 17, it will touch your heart.

  • 1 month ago

    If you alight on John 17:1-6 without first having understood John 1:1-29, or hoping to bypass it, you will never grasp what Jesus meant. In order to become a sinless man, the Word of God, who was with God in the beginning, and who IS God, and who made everything that was made, had to empty Himself of His glory to be a suffering servant on Earth. He came incognito, slipping in under the radar, to achieve His mission - the salvation of sinners. It really was His resurrection that convinced the first disciples that this only-begotten Son of God is both Lord and God - John 20:28. Tragically, those who deny the full deity of Christ also deny what Thomas said, and what the first 3 verses of John's gospel reveal. The Son of God IS God, as those verses state. Begin with them, please, if you hope to grasp what Jesus said.

  • 1 month ago

    In no way do those verses show that Jesus is God.  In fact,when you take the entire Bible into context, Jesus Christ is Jehovah incarnate, the creation and begotten son of God (who is Elohim).

  • 1 month ago

    God is Spirit and Consuming Fire as it is written.  Spirit can manifest into a man looking creature.  When you see Jesus, you see God in human flesh or God manifested from spirit to man.  John 17:5 says "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."   Jesus clearly told us "I and the Father are one."  "If you've seen Me, you've seen the Father."   When Jacob's name was changed to Israel, the name Israel means "struggled with God" or "wrestled with God."

    Jacob wrestled with an angel in the form of a man.  The Lord of the Old Testament is Jesus.  

  • ?
    Lv 7
    1 month ago

    Jesus has been God from all eternity, second Person of the Most holy Trinity (though He was not yet called Jesus). He became God's Son when God the Father caused a human mother to become pregnant with Him 2,000 years ago, and directed His mother to name Him Jesus.

  • TeeM
    Lv 7
    1 month ago

    Those who said 'God' or 'Both' reveal a lack of understanding of what Jesus is saying.

    These will miss interpret John 17:1

    (John 17:1) “17 Jesus spoke these things, and raising his eyes to heaven, he said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your son so that your son may glorify you,”

    Here they insert their belief into this verse and not Jesus'.

    What glory did Jesus have prior to coming to the earth?  

    That of being God as the trinitarian believe or that of being God's Son?  

    We don't have to guess.

    (John 1:14) “14 So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of divine favor and truth.”

    The glory Jesus had was that of a son.

    Trinitarians miss translate John 1:1 to support their false teaching.

    How do we know this?  John tells us in his Revelation.

    (Revelation 1:1) “1 A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him,. . .”

    (Revelation 1:6) “6 and he [Jesus] made us to be a kingdom, priests to his God and Father—. . .”

    John knows the heavenly glorified Jesus continued to worship the only true God, his God and Father.

    Next in Jn17:3 not only does Jesus denies being God, he emphatically denies being the only true God, a role for only his Father.

    Jn 17:5 what glory does Jesus request?  The glory of being God's only begotten Son. (see Jn 1:14)

    In Jn 17:6 Jesus instead of glorifying himself, he glorified his God and Father.

    May we like Peter and Paul, praise and glorify the God and Father of the heavenly glorified Jesus Christ.

    (1 Peter 1:3) “3 Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,”

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  • 1 month ago

    Jesus was GOD IN FLESH. (John 1:14).

    It was God Himself who came to earth in a flesh and blood body in order to die for us sinners.  That's why He was perfect, because He was God, but coming here as a human being, he lived as a human being, so that He could understand what we go through.  Therefore, He prayed to His Father, just as we are commanded to do "Our Father, who art in heaven" etc.

    In the passage in John 17 Jesus prayed to His Father to restore unto Him the glory He had had with the Father in heaven before the world was.

    You just don't accept by faith that the Trinity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit,is kosher that's all.  But "There are THREE that bear witness from heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit and THESE THREE ARE ONE" (1 John 5:7).

    It's a spiritual mystery to us in our humanity and mortality but when we become immortal, when we are all changed at the last trump (1 Corinthians 15: 51 - 58), we will understand all things then.

    In the meantime, be patient and accept what God says by faith.  That is, that ALL THE FULNESS OF THE GODHEAD - that's Father, Son and Holy Spirit all dwell in Jesus Christ bodily (Col 2:9)

  • BJ
    Lv 7
    1 month ago

    Jesus said he was God's son, Almighty God said that Jesus was his son.

    Jesus plainly stated that he was more than a good man. He said: I am God’s Son. John 10:36 Of course, anyone could claim to be the Son of God. But if Jesus’ claim were false, what would that make him? Really, not a good man, but a great fraud!

    The most reliable testimony came from God himself. He twice said concerning Jesus: This is my Son. Matthew 3:17; 17:5 Just think: The Scriptures report only a few occasions when God’s own voice was heard on earth yet on two of them he affirmed Jesus as his Son!

    This is by far the best proof that Jesus was who he said he was. Jesus never claimed to be God, but he repeatedly spoke of himself as God’s Son. Even his enemies acknowledged this.

    Jesus never even suggested that he was God or was equal to him. So to teach such a thing dishonors Jesus.

    He is God’s Son. Whereas his father is Almighty God.

  • Anonymous
    1 month ago

    It will never matter. John does not appear to be 

    smart enough to make such a determination. 

     

    Jesus may offer everyone a 'way to God' in the Bible, 

    but it is for certain that he never had one in real life. 

    He just said whatever he needed to so his followers 

    would not walk away and abandon him. 

    John doesn't seem to realize this.

  • 1 month ago

    Both.... they are one.

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