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NZ 7's lose again. Tiech should give it up!!!?
I've watched all of NZ 7's games in the current season and the prvious years and after watching a average Wales squad beat us i think it is time for new vision and direction. My concern in the current NZ Team is, "where is the out and out speedsters"??? It is true, "don;t fix what's not broken" my question is how long do you wait to fix it when it is broken. Rushie to take top job. He has a lot of Tiech in him but also has a great understanding of touch football where you have to beat a player with the pass and ball speed. I don;t know if he is or is not but maybe someone like Peter Walters (Mr Touch) to be an advisor of some sort!!! My thoughts anyway!!
Interested for comments!
abitaculcha - Very valid points and great to hear. Can I point out that what you have noted with players being dragged happens to all the teams in 7's. NZ has the most registered players in Rugby, so our pool depth should be bigger than any other country. Also, the current NZ squad is majority the same from last season so should that impact your concerns related to players being plucked from the 7's circuit?
Cheers for all of the great answers. Just to clarify, any person thinking that I am doubting Teich as a coach is far from the truth, however when we start making excuses for lack of depth of players available and certain S14 Players not playing in the World Cup then we are clutching at straws. With our Rugby pride nation and the amount of players & talent we have, are these truely our problems?
Danny boy - I know you are hurting so pull your nickers from your bum. I can't see anywhere that states Tiech is not a great coach, only simple, is it time for a knew vision. I don't disagree that many teams have caught up to NZ & Fiji, but i ask you this, why do we still play the same game structure that we were playing 5 years ago? It's so easy for me to pick and judge never have been in that situation but even i can see (with my modest top level touch backround) that we were just continuing down the same path. Teich will never be surpassed as a coach, but as the saying goes, you can never teach an old dog new tricks.
stagnant16 - Are you suggesting that DJ Forbes, Zar Lawerance and co are not passionate? To suggest Wales were more passionate is unrealistic. NZ have the dominant team, skills and possibly overall speed but never delivered.
Timo - I agree with you fully. Well put.
Barry - good stuff mate, I'm all in for rebuild. Do you think anything will change though for next seasion as I see even less talent coming through the grades then this year & last?
Kambus - I hear you loud and clear. I think it has clearly been pointed out though, 10 years ago there were really only 2 teams in it, Fiji & NZ, everyone else made up the numbers. If you get serious though and analyse Teichs record over the last 2 seasons (now that teams have developed and even surpassed us in some ways), then you will gather a true understanding that he has been a great coach but the earlier years were also 50/50 of winning or runner up. My thoughts only.
Bredon - love it mate thats a cracker of an answer.
12 Answers
- 1 decade agoFavourite answer
Tiech has nothing to prove in the game of 7s.He has archived everything, he properly feel stail at the top and need a new challenge,BUT a new blood is due and no one better than Rushy.
I disagree with getting players from so called super rugby to play for NZ 7s, why? other guys who cant get into so called super rugby deserve thier luxury trips away too and a chance for them to see the world.You cant have them all,so play super rugby or play 7 rugby.
7 rugby is a lot more entertainment than super crap.
we hear about injuries & players unavailability, other countries also have the same problem its not just NZ.
- 1 decade ago
What Bollocks. Tiech is a great coach. The fact is everyone else in sevens has caught up to us and if you understand the game you will notice that almost every team has the same pattern of play now, with some subtle differences. That is why Fiji are no longer the great side of the past because 7's is no longer an individual sport but has become a true 7 man team game.
That Wales team is very good how can you say they are average. Some of those players are excellent individuals and they even had Rhodri Mcatee on the bench, he would be in our NZ team without a doubt.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Tiech is a legend!! In NZ, Sevens is like the "poor mans" rugby game compared to the 15 aside one. They continually get their players yanked out of their team to booster NZ sides (Super 14 & NPC) with no regard to the disruption is has on them. The player turnover for the NZ sevens team is atrocious. Every other country rates and values their team, NZ treats theirs like a donor squad. And yet, against the odds, they do very well. They loose, they go down, and then they slowly work their way back up again. And its all thanks to Tiechjens!!
Any other country would be thrilled to have him as a coach! Hes the most successful coach in Sevens history. We dont give him enough recognition!!
I can't wait for the sport to become an Olympic event, then they and especially Tiechjens will get the backing,support and recognition they deserve... gulp! I just hope hes not too old by then!!!
One more thing, they never moan about loosing their players to the 15 man game, they have always been generous and grateful to the NZRFU, a shame its never been reciprocated!
- 1 decade ago
I think anyone who has been in the same management/leadership job will, just as a natural part of the job, wain in their ability to see out side the box to adapt to new vision and ideas. It would look like to me that the rest of the world has caught up. The fact that the team is not winning consistantly as it was may be revealing that it is time for a change. Tiech seems to be a professional and as such will be going through self evaluation and will probably make the hard call if necessary. Also it would seem that he not getting the talent he used to get available to him. Some of those past team even I could have probably trained them to beat a majority of those teams that played several years ago. Other teams seem to be taking sevens more serious as well so its now alot hard to shine as a coach.
- 1 decade ago
No, he shouldn't. I think that the NZ rugby public has been spoilt by the success of the last ten years. No other rugby team at 15 or 7-a-side, in any competition, can come close to the consistency of the NZ sevens regime under Tiech. We have won the IRB World Series 8 out of 9 times.
Anyway, I can think of another NZ rugby coach that was upset at the QF stage of a World Cup and kept his job.
- 1 decade ago
no, Tiech is the most successful 7s coach in the world. The kiwi team is just goin through a rough patch no different to any other sports team every now and then. Give tiech time to improve the team and see what happens, maybe not this season but hey theres always next year!
- 1 decade ago
statistically speaking .. its the worst performance in 7's world cup from nz ... injuries and off forms would contribute to that fact ... super 14 players not takin the call up as well as it clashes w other commitments ...every other quarter final team excluding argentina had beefed up the squad w 15's or ex 7's players ... unless they were restrictions on squad selections for the entire tournament ..
he is the current most consistent coach in the entire nz rugby roster ... in the last 10 years easy ....... numbers dont lie.. they do from time to time fluctuate ....
- 1 decade ago
Tich needs the best players there, injury is taking its toll on our best players, but its Super 14 is now first priority for NZ Rugby, and thats why 7s will always get the leftovers of NZ Rugby players. Wouldnt matter who is coaching the 7s, they dont have the cream of NZ players.
- 1 decade ago
Is it the coaches fault that a player drops the ball with the line open??
Me thinks not!!
Wales were more passionate and committed! End of story!
- 1 decade ago
I disagree. Like the Australian cricket team our sevens team is going through a rot. Doesn't mean we need a change of coach at all. We can't win everything all the time.
